First and foremost, he is a father. His daughter, Inés, is a girl with Down syndrome (or Up syndrome, as he likes to call it). In addition, he is the Minister of Social Policies of the Government of Navarra and the person in charge of addressing the topic of disability from the point of view of the Administration in the course organized by Tantaka. The capacity, once again, full and the look, set on the body that, with difficulties (especially economic), tries to help people in difficulty. But not everything is a problem and money is not the solution. "Strategic plans? How awful when they are off-center!" The essential thing, he warns, is people. He says his efforts are directed toward a three-pronged goal. First of all, people with disabilities have to develop as what they are: people. Moreover, they have the right to a full and autonomous life, to decide for themselves about their own lives. And that life must be inclusive. "Because we are all people; disability, as a condition, comes later."

What is the role of the Administration in the lives of people with disabilities?

Our role is absolutely core topic. We have to help them with the necessary, basic and personalized support to achieve a full life, so that all their rights unfold. People with disabilities have to be citizens with full rights and obligations who can live together just like other people who do not have disabilities. Therefore the role of the administration is core topic, but always with the support of the families.

And conversely, what role do people with disabilities have in the Administration?

I believe that disability, in the Administration but also in other areas, should take a back seat. Because we work every day to help the most vulnerable people, the most disadvantaged or weakest people, regardless of their condition or limitation. But even so, let us not forget to look first at capabilities rather than limitations. There are many disabled people with many capabilities. Therefore, disability should take a back seat and we should all focus primarily on what a person needs to develop. People are the most important thing and that is what society has to understand.

Would you say that society is able to understand disability?

Disability is in the eyes of those of us who do not have disabilities. It is in the fact that we have not configured a society that facilitates people's lives and therefore we have the great challenge that, when we see a person with a disability, we focus on the person, that we understand that he or she is a person like you and me, that has his or her good days and bad days, that we understand that disability is in second place. In that sense, we should not see the wheelchair. Or, at least, it should not be the first thing we look at.

What does it mean for you to have Inés at home?

Everything. I am here because of my daughter. And I thank God that He chose to bring a little girl like Inés into my home. When she was born I thought she would need me all her life and now, five years later, my thinking is the opposite: I need my daughter. I did not choose for her to have a disability, but I did choose the attitude with which I would face my daughter's life, hand in hand with her and learning from her. Therefore, I owe Inés everything.